Now, I know this happened about 3 months ago (in March) but, Perro Aguayo Jr. Died from injuries in the ring. Now, my question (and the thing we're discussing) is, should Rey Mysterio have been held accountable for Aguayo Jr's death?

(If you don't know the story, look up Aguayo Jr's wikipedia article)

All things considered, I'm sure what occurred during the ring was something that could have happened hundreds of thousands of times without any fatalities. I don't think Mysterio is at fault. Just a tragic event, unfortunately.

Freak accidents happen. Mysterio was doing spots that everyone had agreed upon -prior- to the match, and Perro agreed to be a part of them.

Perro Aguayo Jr. wouldn't have died if he had been given proper medical attention so no, I don't think Rey's accountable. Rey hit a dropkick and the way Aguayo sold it ended up severely injuring him. Like Drake said, it was a freak accident.

I thought the report said that he died instantly?

He did, the coroner stated that medical attention would not have made a difference

Rey is as accountable for Perro's death as a boxer who lands a KO punch  that happens to kill his opponent. It's not a murder, it's an accident.

Funny how I haven't heard for anyone call for the head of the man who accidentally killed Misawa with a faulty back drop several years ago....oh, because it was an ACCIDENT.

Shit like this sadly happens in professional wrestling and combat sports. It's part of the job.

Hey man, I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I'm just trying to get an opinion on the situation. Akitoshi Saito's botched backdrop on Misawa is a thread for another day. I wanted an opinion on the incident at hand

Kerry Keller wrote:

Hey man, I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I'm just trying to get an opinion on the situation. Akitoshi Saito's botched backdrop on Misawa is a thread for another day. I wanted an opinion on the incident at hand

And you got one. Rey isn't accountable for anything in this situation. It was a faulty move and the man unfortunately died. 

There is no need to say Rey is accountable here.Both guys screwed up and there was clearly no intent to kill.

This thread is stupid.

Charlie Scene wrote:

This thread is stupid.

I think it was a legitimate question. Issues like the cause of death in a sporting industry aren't simple, and we need to remember that someone -actually died-, and now his family has to pay for the costs of a funeral, plus God knows whatever other expenses come with something like this.

Kevin Drake wrote:

Charlie Scene wrote:

This thread is stupid.

I think it was a legitimate question. Issues like the cause of death in a sporting industry aren't simple, and we need to remember that someone -actually died-, and now his family has to pay for the costs of a funeral, plus God knows whatever other expenses come with something like this.

Those costs are on the company though, not Rey.

This thread is somehow more stupid than Charlie is.

Kevin Drake wrote:

Charlie Scene wrote:

This thread is stupid.

I think it was a legitimate question. Issues like the cause of death in a sporting industry aren't simple, and we need to remember that someone -actually died-, and now his family has to pay for the costs of a funeral, plus God knows whatever other expenses come with something like this.

What's legitimate about "Should we charge a guy with manslaughter because of a violent sport killing someone?"

We "hold people accountable" for mistakes, not accidents.

Charlie Scene wrote:

This thread is stupid.

Why are you commenting on it then?

Charlie Scene wrote:

Kevin Drake wrote:

Charlie Scene wrote:

This thread is stupid.

I think it was a legitimate question. Issues like the cause of death in a sporting industry aren't simple, and we need to remember that someone -actually died-, and now his family has to pay for the costs of a funeral, plus God knows whatever other expenses come with something like this.

What's legitimate about "Should we charge a guy with manslaughter because of a violent sport killing someone?"

We "hold people accountable" for mistakes, not accidents.

There is a precedent for charging people with criminally negligent homicide. If Mysterio had been negligent, and that caused the death, then yes, he should have been held accountable. However, I don't think that's the case here.

Kerry Keller wrote:

Charlie Scene wrote:

This thread is stupid.

Why are you commenting on it then?  

You only made this thread in an attempt to start a long thread and get a conversation going but this is a stupid topic. No one else is gonna tell you that they don't appreciate you wasting their time with this thread by only titling it "Perro Aguayo Jr." instead of giving it a real title. That's why I'm commenting.

And to Kevin Drake, this topic is about whether or not Mysterio should be charged criminally, if "that's not the case here," then why is this a legitimate question?

Charlie Scene wrote:

Kerry Keller wrote:

Charlie Scene wrote:

This thread is stupid.

Why are you commenting on it then?  

You only made this thread in an attempt to start a long thread and get a conversation going but this is a stupid topic. No one else is gonna tell you that they don't appreciate you wasting their time with this thread by only titling it "Perro Aguayo Jr." instead of giving it a real title. That's why I'm commenting.

And to Kevin Drake, this topic is about whether or not Mysterio should be charged criminally, if "that's not the case here," then why is this a legitimate question?

Because someone died. It could have been criminally negligent homicide. I answered the question "do you think he should be charged?" with a no, and I gave my reason why; I don't believe it was criminally negligent homicide.

I don't know why you decided to come here and act like an ass about the question. It's something that the parties involved in the incident had to decide, and I see no reason why we shouldn't talk about it.

You'd have to be an idiot of the highest order to actually hold Rey accountable for a freak accident, which is why it's baffling that we're actually discussing it.

Kevin Drake wrote:

Charlie Scene wrote:

Kerry Keller wrote:

Charlie Scene wrote:

This thread is stupid.

Why are you commenting on it then?  

You only made this thread in an attempt to start a long thread and get a conversation going but this is a stupid topic. No one else is gonna tell you that they don't appreciate you wasting their time with this thread by only titling it "Perro Aguayo Jr." instead of giving it a real title. That's why I'm commenting.

And to Kevin Drake, this topic is about whether or not Mysterio should be charged criminally, if "that's not the case here," then why is this a legitimate question?

Because someone died. It could have been criminally negligent homicide. I answered the question "do you think he should be charged?" with a no, and I gave my reason why; I don't believe it was criminally negligent homicide.

I don't know why you decided to come here and act like an ass about the question. It's something that the parties involved in the incident had to decide, and I see no reason why we shouldn't talk about it.

Already explained why I decided to "act like an ass about the question." I don't need my time wasted with misleading forum topics.

Dark Demon wrote:

You'd have to be an idiot of the highest order to actually hold Rey accountable for a freak accident, which is why it's baffling that we're actually discussing it.

This.

First you'd have to establish that it is a freak accident. It could have been negligence. I don't believe it was, but none of us were there and none of us has any right to claim like we know everything about what happened.

Kevin Drake wrote:

First you'd have to establish that it is a freak accident. It could have been negligence. I don't believe it was, but none of us were there and none of us has any right to claim like we know everything about what happened.

Well you don't have to be there for to know what happened. They have video evidence of it and from what I have seen of it it's pretty clearly an accident. At absolute bare minimum, there's no evidence to indicate the incident was deliberate. 

Secondly, if someone does something where a person accidentally dies on the job, that is almost exclusively covered by the company, not necessarily the errant party.

Yeah except we all know it wasn't negligence and you're essentially arguing shit for the sake of it.

How about we actually reply to threads that are ya know, worth replying too?

Dark Demon wrote:

Yeah except we all know it wasn't negligence and you're essentially arguing shit for the sake of it.

How about we actually reply to threads that are ya know, worth replying to?

How about you let me answer whatever the hell I want? There have been much worse and less civil debates about nothing here and I'd appreciate it if you just back the fuck off.