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Mr. DEDEDE EAW Hall of Famer
Posts : 3518 Age : 34 Hailing From : The Gay Meat Community Status : #LoveWins
| Subject: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 23rd 2015, 10:38 pm | |
| what would you change?
If you could go back and alter one booking decision, either changing who wins, cancelling a story, cancelling a match, doing sth differently or anything else, what would it be?
Can be from anytime in EAW history 2008-now. |
| | | 『zakkii』 Empire
Posts : 6357 Age : 32 Hailing From : WKWKWK Land Status : 『Whatever tomorrow brings, I'll be there!』
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 23rd 2015, 10:42 pm | |
| Canceling a vixens match at PFP? |
| | | Blaise Hunter
Posts : 483 Age : 30 Status : I'm on fire...
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 23rd 2015, 10:58 pm | |
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| | | TLA Voltage
Posts : 3007 Hailing From : Where they ain't want me to be #ThaHall Status : Bein' a badder hombre than ever before
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 23rd 2015, 11:01 pm | |
| I'd undo Crybull's undefeated streak. |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 23rd 2015, 11:03 pm | |
| -I'd have faced Mak at PFP 6 instead of insisting that he face Scott instead so Mak could have had at least one more match and Scott wouldn't have wasted the biggest win in EAW history.
-DDD beats Cyclone at KOE 2010. DDD was arguably promoing his best stuff at the time and completely destroyed Cyclone in promos and considering Cyclone ended up getting fired and flopped in another big push and HBB was winning the title a month later anyway, should have done DDD/HBB for the title at RW III
-Haruna wins the title at Pain for Pride 8 and all the other good booking/great moments at the show aren't overshadowed.
-Maddie retains the title at Shock Value, she shouldn't have lost the title, she was the top heel and seemed to be entering into a great feud with Aria as the top face and now both seemed to have been lost in the fold for a poor-mans E.G.O
-Johnny Ventura wins the AWC against Liam Catterson at PFP 6. Ventura absolutely DESERVED the title, he was doing his best promos and was hot as hell leading up to the show and got his legs cut off from underneath him that he's only recovering from now.
-POP would have won the Grand Rampage in 2012, I was pushing for him to win it (or face DDD) and he deserved it and it would have been a great moment and not a waste of the Grand Rampage.
-I'd have binned the entire Enterprise, dWo angles
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| | | Clark Duncan
Posts : 1746 Age : 29 Hailing From : Taylor Swift's bedroom Status : My spirit animal's really a pterodactyl.
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 23rd 2015, 11:08 pm | |
| I got 3, so yeah
- Me beating Jason Cage for the Elite title back in the day as Eddie Mack (he later went on to fuck off, love you tho Steele) - Me beating Stark (and Jamie) for the New Breed title. Idk why that didn't happen to begin with. - Me beating Crybull at PFP. See above, but I guess Crybull was all the rage. |
| | | Blaise Hunter
Posts : 483 Age : 30 Status : I'm on fire...
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 23rd 2015, 11:10 pm | |
| - Clark Duncan wrote:
- I got 3, so yeah
- Me beating Jason Cage for the Elite title back in the day as Eddie Mack (he later went on to fuck off, love you tho Steele) - Me beating Stark (and Jamie) for the New Breed title. Idk why that didn't happen to begin with. - Me beating Crybull at PFP. See above, but I guess Crybull was all the rage. When I become Interwire Champion, I will give you a shot. |
| | | TLA Voltage
Posts : 3007 Hailing From : Where they ain't want me to be #ThaHall Status : Bein' a badder hombre than ever before
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 23rd 2015, 11:11 pm | |
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| | | The Black Prince
Posts : 288 Age : 34
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 23rd 2015, 11:12 pm | |
| - Dark Demon wrote:
-Maddie retains the title at Shock Value, she shouldn't have lost the title, she was the top heel and seemed to be entering into a great feud with Aria as the top face and now both seemed to have been lost in the fold for fackin' Hexa-Gun.
I second this. That was some Genesis like booking. |
| | | Lioncross Showdown
Posts : 623 Age : 31 Status : Team Special Treatment
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 23rd 2015, 11:15 pm | |
| You'd kinda have to warp time for this to work, because Maddie was Vixens Champion before the Specialists Title was around.
Maddie doesn't win the Vixens Title to begin with, but becomes the first Specialists Champion. She'd be a great initial champ because she has (or had) a lackey in Maria Gonzales. As a heel, Maddie could always pick something like a Handicap match or anything No Disqualification - anything that allows Maria to get involved - to defend her title. Then, after Maddie loses the title to a face Vixen, we get to see the title defended the way it should be. |
| | | MTM
Posts : 2369 Age : 25 Hailing From : San Diego, California Status : Welcome back to my world.
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 23rd 2015, 11:18 pm | |
| Ventura winning at PFP 8. Ventura didn't need that win AT ALL because he was changing to a new character. I understand the whole "it's a rematch" point but I don't agree with it. Not everyone has to get their own back and this was a perfect example seeing as how the Ventura character was retired straight after. Liam could have put good use to that momentum and actually done something with it unlike Rhaegar who literally got nothing out of it since it had nothing to do with him. |
| | | The Elite-Lord Showdown
Posts : 1435 Age : 30 Hailing From : Dortmund Status : Alles Für Lannister
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 24th 2015, 1:48 am | |
| - Clark Duncan wrote:
- I got 3, so yeah
- Me beating Jason Cage for the Elite title back in the day as Eddie Mack (he later went on to fuck off, love you tho Steele) - Me beating Stark (and Jamie) for the New Breed title. Idk why that didn't happen to begin with. - Me beating Crybull at PFP. See above, but I guess Crybull was all the rage. You were meant to win. You were even told about this after the fact. Don't act oblivious. You only promoed once. You apologized mid-week for that, and even claimed it was unlikely you'd win due to the issues you were dealing with at the time. The others put 4 or 5 up each. Changes had to be made. |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 24th 2015, 2:08 am | |
| - Angelo Brando wrote:
- Dark Demon wrote:
-Maddie retains the title at Shock Value, she shouldn't have lost the title, she was the top heel and seemed to be entering into a great feud with Aria as the top face and now both seemed to have been lost in the fold for fackin' Hexa-Gun.
I second this. That was some Genesis like booking. Hexa-gun? Really? My win was not influenced by me joining Hexa-gun. I won because the writers of my match saw that I worked my fucking ass off for that title shot. Did you two even read the fucking promo's that were produced by Maddie and I? I don't give a fuck about people's reaction towards the outcome of the match but to say shit like "genesis like booking" is fucking retarded fam. That's like saying I cut one promo and won even though I didn't deserve it. |
| | | Jacob Senn Dynasty
Posts : 1201 Age : 30
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 24th 2015, 2:20 am | |
| The result of The Mercenaries vs. The Dynastguard at Midsummer Massacre. |
| | | Mr. DEDEDE EAW Hall of Famer
Posts : 3518 Age : 34 Hailing From : The Gay Meat Community Status : #LoveWins
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 24th 2015, 2:22 am | |
| - TLA wrote:
- I'd undo Crybull's undefeated streak.
This 100 percent I'd have the streak end at PFP with Clark Duncan winning. Crybull winning the match dedicated to Extreme Enigma is as dishonorable as The Boogeyman winning the Andre The Giant Battle Royal |
| | | Jed Gannon
Posts : 163 Age : 25 Hailing From : Ohio Da Great. Status : Vengeance.
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 24th 2015, 2:55 am | |
| - Mr. DEDEDE wrote:
- TLA wrote:
- I'd undo Crybull's undefeated streak.
This 100 percent
I'd have the streak end at PFP with Clark Duncan winning.
Crybull winning the match dedicated to Extreme Enigma is as dishonorable as The Boogeyman winning the Andre The Giant Battle Royal I second this |
| | | Drake Jaeger
Posts : 226 Age : 38 Hailing From : Japan(town, Canada) Status : Wait til they get a load of me.
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 24th 2015, 3:55 am | |
| - Dark Demon wrote:
- -Maddie retains the title at Shock Value, she shouldn't have lost the title, she was the top heel and seemed to be entering into a great feud with Aria as the top face and now both seemed to have been lost in the fold for a poor-mans E.G.O
As much as I would have absolutely loved to not get into the pissing contests that take place on these forums seemingly on a daily basis, I couldn't help but notice what you said here. Now, maybe you're not being serious, maybe you aren't, maybe you're "drunk", maybe you aren't. I really, really, really didn't want to lose my cool, but the sheer audacity of almost every fucking word that pours from your mouth astounds me. The absolute ignorance of the shit you spout sometimes makes me wonder if you just get off on saying disrespectful shit when you have no right to go about fucking implying that she lost because of, what, Eris joining Hexa-gun? I can't speak for whoever booked/wrote that match, but to even imply some sort of fuckery like that on Hexa-gun's part is enough to make my blood boil. The fact that Eris won at all should have made it blatantly obvious that it was a clear-cut, promo-based match. Again, I can't speak for who wrote it, but I'd assume they read the promos and decided who was the winner by quality. As far as I knew, Eris was most likely going to lose because Maddie's reign was still young. However, this isn't fucking charity and there is a reason we promo, is there not? I mean, I guess we could have just deleted Eris' promos and made it a squash match if it would help you sleep at night since I know that's how you roll, but I think for this occasion it was probably decided to just take the easy route and make the actual promos the top priority. Why would we need Eris to win the Title when she's about to turn heel and join Hexa-gun? To overshadow Maddie? I mean, I can easily see why you'd jump to these conclusions, I just can't easily see why someone who's been behind the scenes so much can't understand that it was simply a fair match that didn't need some handicap that basically translates to "The Champion retains as long as the Champion promos". Now to say that Maddie should have had a longer reign and retained at Shock Value is one thing, but to throw Hexa-gun in there and imply that that's what gave Eris the win? Neither Tyler nor Oasis had any knowledge of Eris joining Hexa-gun until very close to the show the week of it. Eris joining Hexa-gun had nothing to do with her Championship match far as I was aware and we were going to work with whatever the result was regardless of her winning or losing, though it was assumed she would probably lose since it would mean she'd be turning heel to join Hexa-gun the week after. Now if you want to play the blame game with a stable, you bringing up EGO is the perfect way to do it, because, really, we could pick any win from EGO's history and blame it on them existing, right? You admitted I outpromoed you in both matches we had when I returned in 2012, so I guess EGO's conspiring must have been afoot. All of your Championship retains? Must have been because of EGO. Cleo's long Vixens Title reign? HAD to be because of EGO. Jay winning the WHC? That's a Title going from one member of EGO to another, so it HAD to be them behind it and that's that, right? To accuse a stable of being the reason for something like an abrupt Championship change like this is pretty fucking silly, and yeah, I get it, it's because it HAPPENED to happen before she joined us. If this had taken place a month or two down the road, I'm sure we'd still hear you bitching, but not quite as ignorantly as you are now. The fact of the matter is that Maddie was put up against someone who outpromoed her in a Title match. Everything else is all just baseless speculation and accusation and disregard for the actual promos on your part as well if you think Maddie should have just been handed the win. Oh, and that "poor man's EGO" part. That takes balls to say, considering EGO was a poor man's Generation Genesis, which was a poor man's Triple Crown Syndicate. All stables that have no reason to exist other than to stroke the egos of guys like you, so I guess it was a pretty appropriate name in hindsight. EGO had no actual direction, had nothing to it but the members of it running around winning lots of stuff and talking about "Edging God Out", and went out with a whimper when it grew more and more stale, which is exactly what happens when you're style and no substance. Take any group of good promoers and you've got EGO. I pitched Hexa-gun at first because I thought it would be fun to have a legit Bane-esque stable with my friends, and I made sure they would have a good inception and a reason for being beyond simply being a stable that's only purpose is to exist. Now perhaps it hasn't completely come off that way because certain things have gotten in the way of what all I would have liked to do with the stable thus far, but that's because it's tough to juggle so much with a bigger ongoing storyline happening. The only constant about Hexa-gun is that we simply promo and promo well, and if we win, then we win, so you can go ahead and blame us something as ridiculous as the shit you're trying to say, but I suppose that's the way it goes. There is no simply having fun and promoing your best without some asshole or another pointing a finger for whatever reason. It's evident some people can only assume the worst in others and live in a World where fairness is only there for convenience, like when you WANT a someone to win over if they SHOULD win. But I digress. I don't know who wrote the match, and I don't know who booked the match, so if you've got a problem with it and feel they cheated Maddie because of some conspiracy with Hexa-gun, then so be it. You won't change your mind, and it's not as if we have some sort of proof outside of the promos themselves to make it clear you're just being salty because of your association with Maddie and/or you just feel she should have gotten a longer reign. What's done is done, though. I'd expected and hoped someone as experienced in e-feds as you to be more mature about these things, but I suppose we can't always get what we want, right? tl;dr fuck off. |
| | | MTM
Posts : 2369 Age : 25 Hailing From : San Diego, California Status : Welcome back to my world.
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 24th 2015, 4:07 am | |
| - Drake Jaeger wrote:
- Dark Demon wrote:
- -Maddie retains the title at Shock Value, she shouldn't have lost the title, she was the top heel and seemed to be entering into a great feud with Aria as the top face and now both seemed to have been lost in the fold for a poor-mans E.G.O
As much as I would have absolutely loved to not get into the pissing contests that take place on these forums seemingly on a daily basis, I couldn't help but notice what you said here. Now, maybe you're not being serious, maybe you aren't, maybe you're "drunk", maybe you aren't. I really, really, really didn't want to lose my cool, but the sheer audacity of almost every fucking word that pours from your mouth astounds me. The absolute ignorance of the shit you spout sometimes makes me wonder if you just get off on saying disrespectful shit when you have no right to go about fucking implying that she lost because of, what, Eris joining Hexa-gun? I can't speak for whoever booked/wrote that match, but to even imply some sort of fuckery like that on Hexa-gun's part is enough to make my blood boil.
The fact that Eris won at all should have made it blatantly obvious that it was a clear-cut, promo-based match. Again, I can't speak for who wrote it, but I'd assume they read the promos and decided who was the winner by quality. As far as I knew, Eris was most likely going to lose because Maddie's reign was still young. However, this isn't fucking charity and there is a reason we promo, is there not? I mean, I guess we could have just deleted Eris' promos and made it a squash match if it would help you sleep at night since I know that's how you roll, but I think for this occasion it was probably decided to just take the easy route and make the actual promos the top priority. Why would we need Eris to win the Title when she's about to turn heel and join Hexa-gun? To overshadow Maddie? I mean, I can easily see why you'd jump to these conclusions, I just can't easily see why someone who's been behind the scenes so much can't understand that it was simply a fair match that didn't need some handicap that basically translates to "The Champion retains as long as the Champion promos".
Now to say that Maddie should have had a longer reign and retained at Shock Value is one thing, but to throw Hexa-gun in there and imply that that's what gave Eris the win? Neither Tyler nor Oasis had any knowledge of Eris joining Hexa-gun until very close to the show the week of it. Eris joining Hexa-gun had nothing to do with her Championship match far as I was aware and we were going to work with whatever the result was regardless of her winning or losing, though it was assumed she would probably lose since it would mean she'd be turning heel to join Hexa-gun the week after. Now if you want to play the blame game with a stable, you bringing up EGO is the perfect way to do it, because, really, we could pick any win from EGO's history and blame it on them existing, right? You admitted I outpromoed you in both matches we had when I returned in 2012, so I guess EGO's conspiring must have been afoot. All of your Championship retains? Must have been because of EGO. Cleo's long Vixens Title reign? HAD to be because of EGO. Jay winning the WHC? That's a Title going from one member of EGO to another, so it HAD to be them behind it and that's that, right? To accuse a stable of being the reason for something like an abrupt Championship change like this is pretty fucking silly, and yeah, I get it, it's because it HAPPENED to happen before she joined us. If this had taken place a month or two down the road, I'm sure we'd still hear you bitching, but not quite as ignorantly as you are now. The fact of the matter is that Maddie was put up against someone who outpromoed her in a Title match. Everything else is all just baseless speculation and accusation and disregard for the actual promos on your part as well if you think Maddie should have just been handed the win.
Oh, and that "poor man's EGO" part. That takes balls to say, considering EGO was a poor man's Generation Genesis, which was a poor man's Triple Crown Syndicate. All stables that have no reason to exist other than to stroke the egos of guys like you, so I guess it was a pretty appropriate name in hindsight. EGO had no actual direction, had nothing to it but the members of it running around winning lots of stuff and talking about "Edging God Out", and went out with a whimper when it grew more and more stale, which is exactly what happens when you're style and no substance. Take any group of good promoers and you've got EGO. I pitched Hexa-gun at first because I thought it would be fun to have a legit Bane-esque stable with my friends, and I made sure they would have a good inception and a reason for being beyond simply being a stable that's only purpose is to exist. Now perhaps it hasn't completely come off that way because certain things have gotten in the way of what all I would have liked to do with the stable thus far, but that's because it's tough to juggle so much with a bigger ongoing storyline happening. The only constant about Hexa-gun is that we simply promo and promo well, and if we win, then we win, so you can go ahead and blame us something as ridiculous as the shit you're trying to say, but I suppose that's the way it goes. There is no simply having fun and promoing your best without some asshole or another pointing a finger for whatever reason. It's evident some people can only assume the worst in others and live in a World where fairness is only there for convenience, like when you WANT a someone to win over if they SHOULD win.
But I digress. I don't know who wrote the match, and I don't know who booked the match, so if you've got a problem with it and feel they cheated Maddie because of some conspiracy with Hexa-gun, then so be it. You won't change your mind, and it's not as if we have some sort of proof outside of the promos themselves to make it clear you're just being salty because of your association with Maddie and/or you just feel she should have gotten a longer reign. What's done is done, though. I'd expected and hoped someone as experienced in e-feds as you to be more mature about these things, but I suppose we can't always get what we want, right?
tl;dr fuck off. |
| | | J-Dynasty 2? Showdown
Posts : 2747 Age : 32 Hailing From : Scarborough Ontario Status : I'm out, for now. I imagine my return, but if not, it was good times overall. Much love. J.
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 24th 2015, 4:09 am | |
| Just to clarify. There was actually a strong possibility we weren't even going to replace the Burned Man, let alone if we were sure Kendra would be the one to replace him. I was the strongest supporter in the group who wanted Kendra in and wanted Burned Man replaced the fastest while this crap was in idle because we had something in the works we didn't want delayed because of a new member and uncertain if Kendra replacing Burned Man would make us look less intimidating, and I sure as hell didn't know Kendra was winning the title-I doubt Imp and HBG would be privy to such info either, even RoV who is our only board member says he didn't know-. Tyler claims he and Oasis-I assume they made the decision to have her win, I'm not exactly sure since it was late at night when I think Tyler posted about this thread in chat so my memory is fuzzy about what he meant- didn't even know Kendra was joining Hexa-gun.
So unless Tyler is lying, and as soon as RoV agreed Kendra should join us he concocted some evil plot based on something that almost didn't happen if we kept being lazy about replacing Burned Man, I can confirm with 100 percent fact that we had nothing to do with her victory. The reason Kendra is with us is because she's a good promoer and in our circle of friends, nothing to do with the vixens title.
So much so unrelated to the vixens title, if HBG hadn't reminded me Medusa was Kendra instead of an alt, I would of tried to convince Kendra to join us as Medusa some day-Can't have Kendra join us as Kendra because she's a vendetta linked to Ares and they don't like the J-dynasty/Jaywalker which Jones is linked to-. |
| | | LVCIAN
Posts : 5167 Age : 29 Hailing From : THE PRAIRIE STATE Status : I'm not your fucking prey.
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 24th 2015, 5:42 am | |
| Maybe I'd have me beat IMP in the first ever match for the AWC.
Yes, maybe I wasn't ready back then. Maybe I didn't do good enough at promos. But I deserved the title. I deserved to be champion. I worked extremely hard to get better and I don't recall Banks or any writer at the time recognizing my hard work or drastic AND notable improvement. Honestly, giving IMP yet another title reign didn't make much of a difference. The man was already a former world champ and he was destined to win more world titles in the future anyway. IMP as world champion was best for business for sure, but think about it.. that decision practically destroyed my career. It did MUCH more damage than good. Many guys who didn't deserve big accomplishments have been handed shit many times and although I'd rather earn things, although I like to work for things I think I would have liked to win that match.. Mainly because things would have been so different. I'd probably be in the HOF by now, I would be considered a legend like my former tag team partner.. he's revered like a fucking god by some ppl. But hey, everything was not really lost after all.. I came back and I'm not doing THAT bad. I'm grateful for everything Banks did for me, everything DDD has done for me and the rest of the board. Even Demon.. He could have fired me when he came back but he didn't. Good or bad I am grateful for everything tbh. |
| | | Clark Duncan
Posts : 1746 Age : 29 Hailing From : Taylor Swift's bedroom Status : My spirit animal's really a pterodactyl.
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 24th 2015, 6:48 am | |
| - King Lannister wrote:
- Clark Duncan wrote:
- I got 3, so yeah
- Me beating Jason Cage for the Elite title back in the day as Eddie Mack (he later went on to fuck off, love you tho Steele) - Me beating Stark (and Jamie) for the New Breed title. Idk why that didn't happen to begin with. - Me beating Crybull at PFP. See above, but I guess Crybull was all the rage. You were meant to win. You were even told about this after the fact. Don't act oblivious.
You only promoed once. You apologized mid-week for that, and even claimed it was unlikely you'd win due to the issues you were dealing with at the time. The others put 4 or 5 up each. Changes had to be made. I'm not gonna lie, I totally forgot about that chat at the time of this post. My bad. |
| | | Impact EAW Hall of Famer
Posts : 2487 Age : 27 Hailing From : The Upper Room Status : You broke the rules you can't break.
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 24th 2015, 7:20 am | |
| I would change the decision GC changed back to me winning. |
| | | Bloody Jack EAW Hall of Famer
Posts : 1857 Age : 38 Hailing From : USA Status : Blood thirsty!
| Subject: Re: If you could go back and change ONE booking decision... November 25th 2015, 12:46 pm | |
| Me losing title in the No Way Out Match at Territorial Invasion in 2013.
The only reason I say this is because with the kind of heat and interest me and Senn had in our feud at the time, I really feel it was a program that needed the world title involved, especially considering it was the reason behind the heat in the first place. Think of how much more epic our final match would've been if the title was on the line AND the loser left Showdown! |
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