And he gets her to have sex with him, was he raped? (in your opinion) And if it is rape, why? If not, also why?
 
The legal system indicates that it is rape, but the definition of rape indicates differently. What do you think?

I think you spend a little bit too much time talking about this my friend lol. But in all seriousness imo no, because by 16 you're smart enough to know what you're doing.

Unless she's forcing him to do something he doesn't want to, it's not raping imo

Jaywalker wrote:

I think you spend a little bit too much time talking about this my friend lol. But in all seriousness imo no, because by 16 you're smart enough to know what you're doing.

Try saying that to a judge as you fuck a junior in high school and their mom puts you in jail.

#ACTUALLYHAPPENEDTOTHEHOMIE

Depends on the legal age of consent in the state the two people are in. In many states, the age of consent is 16. In others, it is 17 and 18. Subjectively, I think it's ridiculous to call that "rape" if someone is physically matured and consciously aware of what he's doing.

there's always the chance of her poking him back if you know what I mean.

I work in Corrections.  I have seen many of these similar situations come across my desk for people going to prison for this exact situation.  I believe I can shed some light on it.

Disclaimer:  State Law varies from state to state.  Federal crimes (things that are the same nationwide) only cover crimes against the Federal Government (IE: bank robbery, treason, espionage, etc) or crimes that do not have State boundaries (IE: internet piracy, interstate trafficking of drugs/firearms, etc).  The State laws for Sexual Abuse as I detail them are based upon the Iowa Code and may have small deviations in your own state, or be entirely different outside the United States.

That being said...

Sixteen is considered the age of consent.  A sixteen year old can have relations with anyone their age or older and no criminal charges may be pursued.

At the age of fourteen and fifteen, a child may consent to sexual relations with anyone up to two years older than them.  So a 14 year old may have relations with anyone 14, 15, or 16, and a 15 year old may have relations with anyone 14, 15, 16, or 17.

At the age 13 and younger, the child may not legally consent and any sexual activity, even with other persons age 13 and younger, is considered to be sexual abuse.

The reasoning behind this has to do with accountability.  Adults are generally more intelligent and more mature than children.  A 15 year old may understand sex to the point that they know "it feels good" and "that's where babies and STDs come from", but they do not have the same understanding that an adult has.  Teens are still in a period of emotional development, which is why common behavior will involve things like teenagers insisting they are "in love" with people they have known for very short periods of time and not really built a healthy or lasting relationship with.  Adults, on the other hand, are more capable of making mature, responsible decisions, including ones like "it's just sex, and I can move on without it being a big deal."

Basically, it's not a level playing field.  An experienced adult can manipulate a teen quite easily and use them for whatever they want.  The teen doesn't know any better, but the adult should.  So it is the adult's responsibility to say 'No', even if the teen is the one pursuing it.  Like a million other scenarios, just because somebody asks you to do something doesn't relieve you of the consequences if you agree to it.

If a four year old girl can up and challenged you to a fist-fight, you wouldn't slug her one in the face.  Same deal.  You're older, you're smarter, and you're the one who should know better.

Couple that with the lame-ness factor.  What kind of a skeezy weirdo pervert is eighteen years old and oogling fifteen year old girls as a sex object?  That's a college guy trying to hook up with a is just coming out of Middle School.  Half of them are still in training bras.  Even if she is the one starting it, you just say No.  As an adult, you do not have jack squat in common with some little kid.  You're in college, or working a job and paying your bills, and she's stressing about some stupid teenage drama of what somebody said on facebook.  It might only be three years difference, but you do ten years of maturing during those three years.

My wife and I got seven years difference in our ages.  Age means nothing once you're an adult, but there is a lot of maturing that has to happen before you reach that point.  If the eighteen year old guy is really into the thirteen year old girl, then at the very least he can be the mature, adult one and keep it in his pants until she's old enough.  "She started it" is not an excuse that works in the grown up world, and there is no 15 year old girl anywhere in the world hot enough that she's worth doing 10 years in prison.

Nick Perry wrote:

What kind of a skeezy weirdo pervert is eighteen years old and oogling fifteen year old girls as a sex object?  

hey now, im 23  

Nick Perry wrote:

 there is no 15 year old girl anywhere in the world hot enough that she's worth doing 10 years in prison.

   i beg to differ


   

  


  


  .. oh wait the last ones legal

Nick Perry wrote:

I work in Corrections. 

   hold up nvm

 

finally found Dedede's kryptonite

Mr. DEDEDE wrote:

Nick Perry wrote:

 there is no 15 year old girl anywhere in the world hot enough that she's worth doing 10 years in prison.

   i beg to differ

Not even close.  Half the world is made up of women; ain't a one of them that can't be easily replaced.

Nick Perry wrote:

I work in Corrections.  I have seen many of these similar situations come across my desk for people going to prison for this exact situation.  I believe I can shed some light on it.

Disclaimer:  State Law varies from state to state.  Federal crimes (things that are the same nationwide) only cover crimes against the Federal Government (IE: bank robbery, treason, espionage, etc) or crimes that do not have State boundaries (IE: internet piracy, interstate trafficking of drugs/firearms, etc).  The State laws for Sexual Abuse as I detail them are based upon the Iowa Code and may have small deviations in your own state, or be entirely different outside the United States.

That being said...

Sixteen is considered the age of consent.  A sixteen year old can have relations with anyone their age or older and no criminal charges may be pursued.

At the age of fourteen and fifteen, a child may consent to sexual relations with anyone up to two years older than them.  So a 14 year old may have relations with anyone 14, 15, or 16, and a 15 year old may have relations with anyone 14, 15, 16, or 17.

At the age 13 and younger, the child may not legally consent and any sexual activity, even with other persons age 13 and younger, is considered to be sexual abuse.

The reasoning behind this has to do with accountability.  Adults are generally more intelligent and more mature than children.  A 15 year old may understand sex to the point that they know "it feels good" and "that's where babies and STDs come from", but they do not have the same understanding that an adult has.  Teens are still in a period of emotional development, which is why common behavior will involve things like teenagers insisting they are "in love" with people they have known for very short periods of time and not really built a healthy or lasting relationship with.  Adults, on the other hand, are more capable of making mature, responsible decisions, including ones like "it's just sex, and I can move on without it being a big deal."

Basically, it's not a level playing field.  An experienced adult can manipulate a teen quite easily and use them for whatever they want.  The teen doesn't know any better, but the adult should.  So it is the adult's responsibility to say 'No', even if the teen is the one pursuing it.  Like a million other scenarios, just because somebody asks you to do something doesn't relieve you of the consequences if you agree to it.

If a four year old girl can up and challenged you to a fist-fight, you wouldn't slug her one in the face.  Same deal.  You're older, you're smarter, and you're the one who should know better.

Couple that with the lame-ness factor.  What kind of a skeezy weirdo pervert is eighteen years old and oogling fifteen year old girls as a sex object?  That's a college guy trying to hook up with a is just coming out of Middle School.  Half of them are still in training bras.  Even if she is the one starting it, you just say No.  As an adult, you do not have jack squat in common with some little kid.  You're in college, or working a job and paying your bills, and she's stressing about some stupid teenage drama of what somebody said on facebook.  It might only be three years difference, but you do ten years of maturing during those three years.

My wife and I got seven years difference in our ages.  Age means nothing once you're an adult, but there is a lot of maturing that has to happen before you reach that point.  If the eighteen year old guy is really into the thirteen year old girl, then at the very least he can be the mature, adult one and keep it in his pants until she's old enough.  "She started it" is not an excuse that works in the grown up world, and there is no 15 year old girl anywhere in the world hot enough that she's worth doing 10 years in prison.

in all seriousness though, i appreciate your insight   

However I feel that there's a bit of a double standard towards the way we treat the accountability of an adolescent. For instance, if they were to commit a murder or an armed robbery they aren't given the same excuses as they are when they are pursuing sex from an adult. I don't see it fair to assume that a 15 year old doesnt understand the gravity behind sex and suddenly its not their fault for wanting to have sex, but they supposedly completely understand the seriousness of murder and knew what they're doing when they want to kill someone.

I also feel that personally, I couldnt call a 16 year old (in a state where consent is 17 or 18) having sex with an adult as rape in my opinion. It doesn't even define rape, because in this scenario there's certainly nothing being done against the adolescent's will. I don't even see the danger behind it, and I feel that the age of consent should be lowered to 13 (the common age where the body begins to be able to sexually reproduce). The selective accountability doesn't make all that much sense to me, and I think there is an understanding, especially with how small this world is now, among 15 and 16 year olds about what sex is. Certainly its not as developed, but there are many adults with an underdeveloped view on the world based on their sheltered upbringing among other things.

There was a time when I was younger where I had some form of intercourse with an adult, and I felt completely okay with it. In fact, it was exciting for me and there seemed to be no harm at all. Those who are honest with themselves know that chances every guy who's been a 15 or 16 year old boy had a time where they would have LOVED to have gotten to pound some attractive adult woman. Think about it from that perspective, is that rape? In my opinion, being honest with myself, I feel like it's no way. We give these adolescents accountability for murder, for decisions in school that affect them in life, we even let them have jobs but suddenly they are not responsible for their sexuality? I simply don't agree with this.

In my mind it's not rape if you consent it and enjoy it. Unfortunately I have to follow the law here... but in some places outside the US, the rules are a bit different 

It's not actually "rape".  Rape is classified as a violent crime.

It falls under the umbrella of Sexual Abuse, or Sexual Exploitation of a Minor.  It's actually the same statute that is used for Teachers that sleep with their students (regardless of age), police officers who have sex while on duty, or therapists/counselors/doctors who have sex with their clients.  In those cases, even if the person is an adult, it is still illegal because it exploits or takes advantage of the difference in their relationship.  The same is true for an adult taking advantage of a kid just for being a horny teenager.

If a kid commits a "forcible felony", which is explicitly specified to be Murder, Attempted Murder, 1st Degree Kidnapping, 1st Degree Robbery (with weapon and injury inflicted), or Rape, they become an adjudicated minor, meaning they will be sentenced as an adult because those crimes are so harmful to the victims that it is simply too dangerous to the rest of society to permit them to be excused based upon age.  Everything else (drugs, thefts, assaults, burglaries, you name it) would fall under the umbrella of juvenile crime and the maximum confinement is until the age of 18.

Basically, think of it like an assault.  If a child comes up to an adult and tried to fight them, the adult understands that, regardless of who is starting it, they should not participate.  It doesn't matter who's "fault" it is; what matters is that one party knows better and the other party is young and dumb.

I would love nothing more than to punch Justin Beiber in the face.  But there is nobody in the world is going to tell me that this

vs me

is a fair fight.  Sure, he understands what fighting is.  He understands that people can get hurt.  But he does not have the same experience, intelligence, or maturity that I do to make the decision of whether or not this would be a smart move.  (Hint.  It wouldn't be.)

Same goes for sex.  No matter how old she looks, her brain is still only 13.  She is not an adult, and she is not ready to make adult decisions.  If two kids decide to be dumb together, well, that's their excuse.  They're dumb kids.  If the kid decides to hook up with an adult, as an adult you know better.

It's on the adult and not the kid, and both the adult and the kid know that.  If the adult decides they want to throw their life away because they are that desperate for a quick roll in the hay, then they got some serious problems, because there are thousands of adult women out there who are happy to put out without sending you to prison.

And when that adult decides to hook up with someone under age, they are also deciding that they trust this kid to never change their mind, or confide in their best friend because they're soooo sure she'll never say anything, or just get mad at you when you break up and decide they want revenge by taking the 10 years prison you gave her the power to control and using it to ruin the rest of your life.  You honestly trust that a teenager is never going to overreact?  Have a mood swing?  Trust the wrong person, or post something retarded on Facebook that nobody else has any business knowing?  Dude, that describes the majority of High School girls to a tee.

It's just about good decision making.  Ain't a single girl out there worth going to prison for.  Way too many hot chicks that are perfectly legal; nobody is that special.

-sees picture-
-nervously backs down-

Nah though I definitely feel what you saying my man. Valid points no doubt     

Nick Perry wrote:

It's not actually "rape".  Rape is classified as a violent crime.

It falls under the umbrella of Sexual Abuse, or Sexual Exploitation of a Minor.  It's actually the same statute that is used for Teachers that sleep with their students (regardless of age), police officers who have sex while on duty, or therapists/counselors/doctors who have sex with their clients.  In those cases, even if the person is an adult, it is still illegal because it exploits or takes advantage of the difference in their relationship.  The same is true for an adult taking advantage of a kid just for being a horny teenager.

If a kid commits a "forcible felony", which is explicitly specified to be Murder, Attempted Murder, 1st Degree Kidnapping, 1st Degree Robbery (with weapon and injury inflicted), or Rape, they become an adjudicated minor, meaning they will be sentenced as an adult because those crimes are so harmful to the victims that it is simply too dangerous to the rest of society to permit them to be excused based upon age.  Everything else (drugs, thefts, assaults, burglaries, you name it) would fall under the umbrella of juvenile crime and the maximum confinement is until the age of 18.

Basically, think of it like an assault.  If a child comes up to an adult and tried to fight them, the adult understands that, regardless of who is starting it, they should not participate.  It doesn't matter who's "fault" it is; what matters is that one party knows better and the other party is young and dumb.

I would love nothing more than to punch Justin Beiber in the face.  But there is nobody in the world is going to tell me that this

vs me

is a fair fight.  Sure, he understands what fighting is.  He understands that people can get hurt.  But he does not have the same experience, intelligence, or maturity that I do to make the decision of whether or not this would be a smart move.  (Hint.  It wouldn't be.)

Same goes for sex.  No matter how old she looks, her brain is still only 13.  She is not an adult, and she is not ready to make adult decisions.  If two kids decide to be dumb together, well, that's their excuse.  They're dumb kids.  If the kid decides to hook up with an adult, as an adult you know better.

It's on the adult and not the kid, and both the adult and the kid know that.  If the adult decides they want to throw their life away because they are that desperate for a quick roll in the hay, then they got some serious problems, because there are thousands of adult women out there who are happy to put out without sending you to prison.

And when that adult decides to hook up with someone under age, they are also deciding that they trust this kid to never change their mind, or confide in their best friend because they're soooo sure she'll never say anything, or just get mad at you when you break up and decide they want revenge by taking the 10 years prison you gave her the power to control and using it to ruin the rest of your life.  You honestly trust that a teenager is never going to overreact?  Have a mood swing?  Trust the wrong person, or post something retarded on Facebook that nobody else has any business knowing?  Dude, that describes the majority of High School girls to a tee.

It's just about good decision making.  Ain't a single girl out there worth going to prison for.  Way too many hot chicks that are perfectly legal; nobody is that special.

While I agree with the general idea of your post (and the facts provided), I disagree with the mistaken assumption that all teenagers are of the same mindset simply based on their age. Maturity varies from person to person. For example, a thirteen-year-old who is not yet physically mature may be mentally more mature than a seventeen-year-old who is physically mature, in which case the former is likely capable of exercising better judgement than the latter. Of course, I don't think a mature legal adult would risk a sentence just for the sake of getting in some teenager's pants, but I'd argue an intelligible, mentally mature fifteen-year-old is a better bet to know what they're doing and the subsequent consequences of their actions than an immature seventeen-year-old.

18 year olds are mature enough to kill people for their country.

17 year olds aren't?



















& since you made it readily available....

I feel like Adam's gonna report US for child pornography this time.

Ren of Chilltown wrote:

I feel like Adam's gonna report US DEDEDE for child pornography this time.

fixed 

i aint got no child porn