I don't think we can compare Lucha Underground to EAW or any other company.

Sure WWE has the Undertaker, Kane and Bray Wyatt, just like EAW has Diemos, Hades and etc. But it's quasi non confirmed if these superpowers are real or not no matter what kind of strange stunts are pulled, many a times wrestlers-especially Chris Jericho and Brock Lesnar- on WWE tv claim that Taker is using mind games or "is just a man", and we in EAW do pretty much the same thing.

In Lucha Underground there is no grey area, it not speculation, in their world many of these people in LU are in fact supernatural, mythical creatures and there's even stuff about ancestors giving power to items. That's why people can get away with murder, its a complete fantasy. Plus, unlike WWE segments LU acts like the segments that we the fans see are untapped and are never mentioned by the commentators to actually have been seen by them, so in LU world its not like the police would be privy to the murders and how it was done because no cameras in canon were there.

Plus, the whole shooting thing didn't fit EAW period. It's not like we had mafia like environment or anything, it was just so out of place.

J Dynasty wrote:

I don't think we can compare Lucha Underground to EAW or any other company.

Sure WWE has the Undertaker, Kane and Bray Wyatt, just like EAW has Diemos, Hades and etc. But it's quasi non confirmed if these superpowers are real or not no matter what kind of strange stunts are pulled, many a times wrestlers-especially Chris Jericho and Brock Lesnar- on WWE tv claim that Taker is using mind games or "is just a man", and we in EAW do pretty much the same thing.

In Lucha Underground there is no grey area, it not speculation, in their world many of these people in LU are in fact supernatural, mythical creatures and there's even stuff about ancestors giving power to items. That's why people can get away with murder, its a complete fantasy. Plus, unlike WWE segments LU acts like the segments that we the fans see are untapped and are never mentioned by the commentators to actually have been seen by them, so in LU world its not like the police would be privy to the murders and how it was done because no cameras in canon were there.

Plus, the whole shooting thing didn't fit EAW period. It's not like we had mafia like environment or anything, it was just so out of place.

100% agreed

I won't defend the shooting thing, it was bizarre, but wrestling is fake. It's not real. It's a TV show based around the skill of the performers. WWE has had things just as weird as the Chainstein shooting. WWE's had corpses be fucked, they've had people be drowned with cement, pushed into pits of flames, hit by cars, balls electrocuted. That's wrestling. EAW was clearly a super-extreme fed at the time, so it wasn't that far off. I'm just saying, I'd rather not be a stickler about realism in fake wrestling, especially online fake wrestling, unless there's no feasable way that something could be faked in an irl interpretation.

Mr. DEDEDE wrote:

I won't defend the shooting thing, it was bizarre, but wrestling is fake. It's not real. It's a TV show based around the skill of the performers. WWE has had things just as weird as the Chainstein shooting. WWE's had corpses be fucked, they've had people be drowned with cement, pushed into pits of flames, hit by cars, balls electrocuted. That's wrestling. EAW was clearly a super-extreme fed at the time, so it wasn't that far off. I'm just saying, I'd rather not be a stickler about realism in fake wrestling, especially online fake wrestling, unless there's no feasable way that something could be faked in an irl interpretation.

I think what you can do to make this all better is to reverse your win at that event and post an apology thread saying that you didn't deserve to win

Drastik wrote:

Mr. DEDEDE wrote:

I won't defend the shooting thing, it was bizarre, but wrestling is fake. It's not real. It's a TV show based around the skill of the performers. WWE has had things just as weird as the Chainstein shooting. WWE's had corpses be fucked, they've had people be drowned with cement, pushed into pits of flames, hit by cars, balls electrocuted. That's wrestling. EAW was clearly a super-extreme fed at the time, so it wasn't that far off. I'm just saying, I'd rather not be a stickler about realism in fake wrestling, especially online fake wrestling, unless there's no feasable way that something could be faked in an irl interpretation.

I think what you can do to make this all better is to reverse your win at that event and post an apology thread saying that you didn't deserve to win

Are we going to retroactively vacate Mr. DEDEDE's win at the inaugural Reckless Wiring, too?

J Dynasty wrote:

I don't think we can compare Lucha Underground to EAW or any other company.

Sure WWE has the Undertaker, Kane and Bray Wyatt, just like EAW has Diemos, Hades and etc. But it's quasi non confirmed if these superpowers are real or not no matter what kind of strange stunts are pulled, many a times wrestlers-especially Chris Jericho and Brock Lesnar- on WWE tv claim that Taker is using mind games or "is just a man", and we in EAW do pretty much the same thing.

In Lucha Underground there is no grey area, it not speculation, in their world many of these people in LU are in fact supernatural, mythical creatures and there's even stuff about ancestors giving power to items. That's why people can get away with murder, its a complete fantasy. Plus, unlike WWE segments LU acts like the segments that we the fans see are untapped and are never mentioned by the commentators to actually have been seen by them, so in LU world its not like the police would be privy to the murders and how it was done because no cameras in canon were there.

Plus, the whole shooting thing didn't fit EAW period. It's not like we had mafia like environment or anything, it was just so out of place.

You'd be better off flat out saying you don't want to admit Lucha Underground is unrealistic, and if WWE did half the stuff LU does, people would shit on it. You can't pre-assign standards of realism for one wrestling show when all pro wrestling shows are TV shows about wrestling, and the creative directions they take are solely up to them. That's an inconsistent argument and a sign of refusal to bend your standards for one thing and willingness to bend for another. Even I'm guilty of it. I'm guilty of ridiculing a character like Kane magically healing from injuries, yet accepting Mil Muertes coming back from the dead, Matanza killing people, and anticipating what happens next. But when it gets to a place like e-feds, that's when it becomes try hardish and snobby.

Mr. DEDEDE wrote:

J Dynasty wrote:

I don't think we can compare Lucha Underground to EAW or any other company.

Sure WWE has the Undertaker, Kane and Bray Wyatt, just like EAW has Diemos, Hades and etc. But it's quasi non confirmed if these superpowers are real or not no matter what kind of strange stunts are pulled, many a times wrestlers-especially Chris Jericho and Brock Lesnar- on WWE tv claim that Taker is using mind games or "is just a man", and we in EAW do pretty much the same thing.

In Lucha Underground there is no grey area, it not speculation, in their world many of these people in LU are in fact supernatural, mythical creatures and there's even stuff about ancestors giving power to items. That's why people can get away with murder, its a complete fantasy. Plus, unlike WWE segments LU acts like the segments that we the fans see are untapped and are never mentioned by the commentators to actually have been seen by them, so in LU world its not like the police would be privy to the murders and how it was done because no cameras in canon were there.

Plus, the whole shooting thing didn't fit EAW period. It's not like we had mafia like environment or anything, it was just so out of place.

You'd be better off flat out saying you don't want to admit Lucha Underground is unrealistic, and if WWE did half the stuff LU does, people would shit on it. You can't pre-assign standards of realism for one wrestling show when all pro wrestling shows are TV shows about wrestling, and the creative directions they take are solely up to them. That's an inconsistent argument and a sign of refusal to bend your standards for one thing and willingness to bend for another. Even I'm guilty of it. I'm guilty of ridiculing a character like Kane magically healing from injuries, yet accepting Mil Muertes coming back from the dead, Matanza killing people, and anticipating what happens next. But when it gets to a place like e-feds, that's when it becomes try hardish and snobby.

If a wrestling show sets a precedent that they are leaning toward the fantastical, they set their limits as such and are then believably entitled to go into that fantastical realm.

If a wrestling show sets a precedent that they are leaning toward the real world, they set their limits as such and are then believably entitled to go as far as the real world would, but not into the fantastical realm.

If a wrestling show switches back and forth at random, or randomly interjects something fantastical when they are already established as based in reality, then it appears stupid. There are few exceptions to this.

Mr. DEDEDE wrote:

J Dynasty wrote:

I don't think we can compare Lucha Underground to EAW or any other company.

Sure WWE has the Undertaker, Kane and Bray Wyatt, just like EAW has Diemos, Hades and etc. But it's quasi non confirmed if these superpowers are real or not no matter what kind of strange stunts are pulled, many a times wrestlers-especially Chris Jericho and Brock Lesnar- on WWE tv claim that Taker is using mind games or "is just a man", and we in EAW do pretty much the same thing.

In Lucha Underground there is no grey area, it not speculation, in their world many of these people in LU are in fact supernatural, mythical creatures and there's even stuff about ancestors giving power to items. That's why people can get away with murder, its a complete fantasy. Plus, unlike WWE segments LU acts like the segments that we the fans see are untapped and are never mentioned by the commentators to actually have been seen by them, so in LU world its not like the police would be privy to the murders and how it was done because no cameras in canon were there.

Plus, the whole shooting thing didn't fit EAW period. It's not like we had mafia like environment or anything, it was just so out of place.

You'd be better off flat out saying you don't want to admit Lucha Underground is unrealistic, and if WWE did half the stuff LU does, people would shit on it. You can't pre-assign standards of realism for one wrestling show when all pro wrestling shows are TV shows about wrestling, and the creative directions they take are solely up to them. That's an inconsistent argument and a sign of refusal to bend your standards for one thing and willingness to bend for another. Even I'm guilty of it. I'm guilty of ridiculing a character like Kane magically healing from injuries, yet accepting Mil Muertes coming back from the dead, Matanza killing people, and anticipating what happens next. But when it gets to a place like e-feds, that's when it becomes try hardish and snobby.

I don't think you catch my drift though, because you think I don't want to admit LU isn't realistic. Of course I can admit LU is unrealistic, that's my entire point, LU has built the company as if it's in a fantasy and all this magic stuff is true, LU doesn't pretend to be reality, it might as well be a live action supernatural show, no in fact it IS that. WWE and EAW pretend to actually be grounded in realism to a degree.

Drastik wrote:

Mr. DEDEDE wrote:

J Dynasty wrote:

I don't think we can compare Lucha Underground to EAW or any other company.

Sure WWE has the Undertaker, Kane and Bray Wyatt, just like EAW has Diemos, Hades and etc. But it's quasi non confirmed if these superpowers are real or not no matter what kind of strange stunts are pulled, many a times wrestlers-especially Chris Jericho and Brock Lesnar- on WWE tv claim that Taker is using mind games or "is just a man", and we in EAW do pretty much the same thing.

In Lucha Underground there is no grey area, it not speculation, in their world many of these people in LU are in fact supernatural, mythical creatures and there's even stuff about ancestors giving power to items. That's why people can get away with murder, its a complete fantasy. Plus, unlike WWE segments LU acts like the segments that we the fans see are untapped and are never mentioned by the commentators to actually have been seen by them, so in LU world its not like the police would be privy to the murders and how it was done because no cameras in canon were there.

Plus, the whole shooting thing didn't fit EAW period. It's not like we had mafia like environment or anything, it was just so out of place.

You'd be better off flat out saying you don't want to admit Lucha Underground is unrealistic, and if WWE did half the stuff LU does, people would shit on it. You can't pre-assign standards of realism for one wrestling show when all pro wrestling shows are TV shows about wrestling, and the creative directions they take are solely up to them. That's an inconsistent argument and a sign of refusal to bend your standards for one thing and willingness to bend for another. Even I'm guilty of it. I'm guilty of ridiculing a character like Kane magically healing from injuries, yet accepting Mil Muertes coming back from the dead, Matanza killing people, and anticipating what happens next. But when it gets to a place like e-feds, that's when it becomes try hardish and snobby.

If a wrestling show sets a precedent that they are leaning toward the fantastical, they set their limits as such and are then believably entitled to go into that fantastical realm.

If a wrestling show sets a precedent that they are leaning toward the real world, they set their limits as such and are then believably entitled to go as far as the real world would, but not into the fantastical realm.

If a wrestling show switches back and forth at random, or randomly interjects something fantastical when they are already established as based in reality, then it appears stupid. There are few exceptions to this.

I can get with that, but I really do think those boundaries are subjective. WWE in the Attitude/RA era, for instance, was far more wishy washy about the type of product they're putting on than today's lesser quality era. One moment guys like Angle/Lesnar were putting on clinics, the next HHH is fucking a dead corpse. But I think it's a personal preference thing as far as where the lines are drawn, mine just happen to be, e-fed wise, if it can be faked IRL, with some exceptions. Definitely not going to try to argue more for the case of an elevator fall or a shooting.

J Dynasty wrote:

Mr. DEDEDE wrote:

J Dynasty wrote:

I don't think we can compare Lucha Underground to EAW or any other company.

Sure WWE has the Undertaker, Kane and Bray Wyatt, just like EAW has Diemos, Hades and etc. But it's quasi non confirmed if these superpowers are real or not no matter what kind of strange stunts are pulled, many a times wrestlers-especially Chris Jericho and Brock Lesnar- on WWE tv claim that Taker is using mind games or "is just a man", and we in EAW do pretty much the same thing.

In Lucha Underground there is no grey area, it not speculation, in their world many of these people in LU are in fact supernatural, mythical creatures and there's even stuff about ancestors giving power to items. That's why people can get away with murder, its a complete fantasy. Plus, unlike WWE segments LU acts like the segments that we the fans see are untapped and are never mentioned by the commentators to actually have been seen by them, so in LU world its not like the police would be privy to the murders and how it was done because no cameras in canon were there.

Plus, the whole shooting thing didn't fit EAW period. It's not like we had mafia like environment or anything, it was just so out of place.

You'd be better off flat out saying you don't want to admit Lucha Underground is unrealistic, and if WWE did half the stuff LU does, people would shit on it. You can't pre-assign standards of realism for one wrestling show when all pro wrestling shows are TV shows about wrestling, and the creative directions they take are solely up to them. That's an inconsistent argument and a sign of refusal to bend your standards for one thing and willingness to bend for another. Even I'm guilty of it. I'm guilty of ridiculing a character like Kane magically healing from injuries, yet accepting Mil Muertes coming back from the dead, Matanza killing people, and anticipating what happens next. But when it gets to a place like e-feds, that's when it becomes try hardish and snobby.

I don't think you catch my drift though, because you think I don't want to admit LU isn't realistic. Of course I can admit LU is unrealistic, that's my entire point, LU has built the company as if it's in a fantasy and all this magic stuff is true, LU doesn't pretend to be reality, it might as well be a live action supernatural show, no in fact it IS that. WWE and EAW pretend to actually be grounded in realism to a degree.

I see what you're saying, I'm sure neither of those would happen today on most circumstances anyway.