And I really can't stress enough how stupid it is to use PAIN FOR PRIDE as a building block for somebody winning a title than be like 'Well, WWE did it with Daniel Bryan and built him up to win it at Wrestlemania!' - do you NOT see how illogical it is to try and defend somebody not winning a title at your mania show by using somebody winning a title at a mania show? 

oh my god.

I'm here to defend Zach Genesis, I agree with him. In a match where most people dont promo, especially when its an 8 on 1 handicap match, in most situations it is correct, that you take the best promoer in the match, and have them lose, especially if they are on the team with 8 people. It was smart text-book booking. I can't wait to see what the future holds in store for the vixens division.

I've made my view on this match well known so I don't think there's anything left for me to really add.

Alrighty, ladies and gents. Let's just all calm down...
To be honest, I agree with everyone saying that Haruna should not have been pinned. Not only was she, in my opinion, the STRONGEST contender for the Vixen's championship, she also had the best promo out of anyone else this entire week, INCLUDING elitists. Her taking the fall was absolutely ignorant on so many levels since she is on a higher level than not only myself but also other Vixen's in well. Keep in mind, also, that Cherish didn't even promo and she still wasn't the one who pinned. This entire match was honestly no surprise. We expected it from the beginning; however, the match besides the ending was very well.

Now, I don't regret this match one bit. I grew as a writer and I developed my character even more than before thanks to Carlos, Vance and BK's help. I have high hopes for myself and the other Vixen's after PFP. I know I'm going into a major feud soon with someone I respect highly and then it's obvious Maddie vs Tarah will be a thing. For the other Vixen's, I'm almost positive that if they put in the work they will climb the ladder and get where they need to be.

I'm proud of what I have done so far. I am proud of the Vixen's division. This PFP match is NOT a solid representation of what the Vixen's can do. Props to Zach Genesis for writing an already hated match before, even that's the only thing I really care to acknowledge him for right now. 

So lets get happy with the Vixen's Division guys! It's a new leaf, a new time, and new writers and matches!

IT'S A NEW LEAF, YES IT IS.
New stuff dropping sometime after PFP, I think.

See I tried to tell you guys there was no way he tried to bury Haruna and was showing clear effort into putting spotlight on her, he just made a naive rookie mistake in the execution.

Oh please, he did it on purpose because a certain somebody got pissed at Haruna's promo.

If Zach really had in for Haruna and wanted to bury her in his heart of hearts he wouldn't have written it the way he did. Look at this focus, look at it!

"Mercer: EIGHT VIXENS DOWN…but one remains as Haruna Sakazaki slowly eyes Tarah Nova before she gets into the middle of the ring! IT HAS COME DOWN TO THIS! EIGHT MONTHS IN THE MAKING! TARAH NOVA! HARUNA SAKAZAKI! THE MURDER CITY VIXEN VERSUS THE KNIGHT OF FIRMAMENT RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW AT PAIN FOR PRIDE 8 IN WEMBLEY STADIUM AND IT! IS! ON!"


He was clearly displaying Haruna in epic light over the other vixens as she was the big foe of Tarah and they were the spotlight.


Not to mention Haruna kicking out of Tarah's finisher, why would he do that if he had malice in his heart?


If he wanted to just have Haruna pinned and appease Tarah in some crazed conspiracy against Haruna, he could of easily embarrassed Haruna or quickly had her defeated without resistance.


Genesis made a naive mistake, but that's all it was! I really think he was thinking too WWE logic wise. The difference between WWE and E-feds is that people take results over what happens in matches way more seriously, in WWE people would think Haruna would be the big time vixen vs Tarah, but in efeds we just think "oh Haruna's the one who got pinned". Think about the other vixens, they were like WWE jobber divas, HOW WERE THEY ALL DOWN AND NOT DOING ANYTHING FOR THAT LONG WHILE HARUNA AND TARAH WERE FIGHTING!? If it wasn't efeds people would have perceived all the other vixens way worse than Haruna for being destroyed and unable to do shit like they were.




And while I think Genesis made a rookie mistake, I still also think he was given a cursed match that was hated before it even started and for good reason. I just don't get how this match could of turned out positive in anyway. Oh sure, someone pins Tarah, all people would say is that the person who beat her won a handicap match, any other way Tarah wins the vixens look pathetic. I think it was a stupid match-no offense Robbie-




I don't get how you guys can be so unfair to him. Especially you and Carlos, Demon, you guys of all people should know how much pressure it is to write for big events and also getting angry people. I don't get how you can ignore CLEAR effort and act like he had twisted motives.

Genesis made a mistake. We can't change what happened to Haruna and the other Vixens now. The point of this thread is to show Genesis and the other writers we don't approve of this decision. Nobody needs to get fired as long as Genesis and the other writers learn from this and don't make the same mistake again.

we should have had TLA go into the ring during the match and have him  sexually satisfy all the vixens so they won't be hysterical and complaining right now.

J Dynasty wrote:

See I tried to tell you guys there was no way he tried to bury Haruna and was showing clear effort into putting spotlight on her, he just made a naive rookie mistake in the execution.

You were right about this.

But this was the one scenario that was even worse than the idea of the match itself. It happens though. No booker who has ever existed is flawless, and hopefully Genesis will learn from this.

I haven't had a spotless booking record either, but I genuinely saw this result coming a mile away.

yes, Demon was right.... the ending is making me out ofthe title picture because Maddie only attacks Tarah, and not me too. but it's okay, I'm no longer upset.... I was upset because I know I won't have something to do after this. but after my little talk with my dear Ari earlier this morning, I think I just found...... a revelation. I think of something that really makes me take the pinfall on purpose. Yes, I was thinking that I was making myself defeated because I think I'll involve myself in Ariana's gimmick change. Which is why..... I think I really need to get out of title picture for a while. and I'm sorry.... it looks like I'm altering your plan on me..... again. Daniel Bryan have to got out of title picture to fight The Wyatt Family, right? Because.... you know, I still don't know what to do.

I find it hard to believe he could have legitimately sat there writing that and have been like 'Man, you know what would be a great to build Haruna up as an eventual champion - have her eat the pin at PFP!' There's no reason as to why he had Haruna of all people take that pin when there was plenty of vixens in that match who didn't even promo - Cherish for example easily could have taken that fall instead of somebody who actually promoed and arguably should have won the match in the first place.

It's not just a 'rookie mistake' or a simple mistake, he outright buried a whole division. He, for some insane reason, thought Tarah going over clean was the best decision against nine people. By herself. Nine vixens can't beat one person.

J Dynasty wrote:

If Zach really had in for Haruna and wanted to bury her in his heart of hearts he wouldn't have written it the way he did. Look at this focus, look at it!

"Mercer: EIGHT VIXENS DOWN…but one remains as Haruna Sakazaki slowly eyes Tarah Nova before she gets into the middle of the ring! IT HAS COME DOWN TO THIS! EIGHT MONTHS IN THE MAKING! TARAH NOVA! HARUNA SAKAZAKI! THE MURDER CITY VIXEN VERSUS THE KNIGHT OF FIRMAMENT RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW AT PAIN FOR PRIDE 8 IN WEMBLEY STADIUM AND IT! IS! ON!"


He was clearly displaying Haruna in epic light over the other vixens as she was the big foe of Tarah and they were the spotlight.


Not to mention Haruna kicking out of Tarah's finisher, why would he do that if he had malice in his heart?


If he wanted to just have Haruna pinned and appease Tarah in some crazed conspiracy against Haruna, he could of easily embarrassed Haruna or quickly had her defeated without resistance.


Genesis made a naive mistake, but that's all it was! I really think he was thinking too WWE logic wise. The difference between WWE and E-feds is that people take results over what happens in matches way more seriously, in WWE people would think Haruna would be the big time vixen vs Tarah, but in efeds we just think "oh Haruna's the one who got pinned". Think about the other vixens, they were like WWE jobber divas, HOW WERE THEY ALL DOWN AND NOT DOING ANYTHING FOR THAT LONG WHILE HARUNA AND TARAH WERE FIGHTING!? If it wasn't efeds people would have perceived all the other vixens way worse than Haruna for being destroyed and unable to do shit like they were.




And while I think Genesis made a rookie mistake, I still also think he was given a cursed match that was hated before it even started and for good reason. I just don't get how this match could of turned out positive in anyway. Oh sure, someone pins Tarah, all people would say is that the person who beat her won a handicap match, any other way Tarah wins the vixens look pathetic. I think it was a stupid match-no offense Robbie-




I don't get how you guys can be so unfair to him. Especially you and Carlos, Demon, you guys of all people should know how much pressure it is to write for big events and also getting angry people. I don't get how you can ignore CLEAR effort and act like he had twisted motives.

I understand definitely how much pressure it can be to write big matches, and I'm not totally saying it's his fault for this.

He did try very hard to give Haruna a good build and some shine, but the problem to me was not just specifically with how Haruna was treated, but the psychology of the whole match. While not quite as predictable as I thought, it just vexes me how anybody thinks Haruna's supposed to have any sort of confidence in the booking here.

This was just one mistake, but I think how she's been booked up to this point in her stay here has just made it even worse to be honest.

Wasn't going to comment at all, but I know exactly how Haruna feels.

In all honesty the ending reminded me of the Divas match at WrestleMania XXX. All of the other Divas were outside the ring with only AJ and Naomi (the one who WWE had been pushing the most) left. Some people were pissed that Naomi was the one to take the loss, but if anything it highlighted that Naomi 'outlasted' the others so to speak. 

aah, reminiscing some good old days....

Just for clarification the only reason I defended Genesis at all in this thread was because I was co-writing with him after PFP.

Aw yiss I remember da #HarunaHype 

But more importantly I remember da #GenesisHype

I remember whatever the hell Pepperidge Farms remembers.

God damn bringing back some classics.

Stephanie Matsuda wrote:

I remember whatever the hell Pepperidge Farms remembers.